Monday, September 04, 2006

Like a rubber ball I come bouncing back to you

I've mentioned before that I participate in an email list that, while starting from an affinity for older Ampex recording equipment, has morphed into an 'anything goes' place, where some pretty tough political disagreements take place.

From one member the other day:
You Might Be a Democrat If...

* You own something that says, "Dukakis for President, " and still display it.

* You've tried to argue in favor of anything based on, "Well, they're gonna do it anyway so..."

* You've ever said, "We really should call the ACLU about this."

* You believe that a few hundred loggers can find another career, but the defenseless spotted owl must live in its preferred tree.

* You ever based an argument on the phrase, "But they can afford a tax hike because..."

* You've ever argued that with just one more year of welfare people might turn it around and get off drugs and get a job.

* You think Lennon was a brilliant social commentator.

* You keep count of how many people you know in each racial or ethnic category.

* You believe our government must do it because every country in Europe does.

* After looking at your pay stub you can still say, "America is undertaxed."

* Electric cars are the answer to our dependence on oil.

* Just because Mars and Neptune are warming too does not mean humans are NOT causing global warming.

* We just need to talk with Iran/North Korea/__________ and understand what they really want.

In other words, the usual crap.

The site owner responded this way:
I suspect that it's some stupid fear mongering propaganda put out by Karl Rove and is wacko neo-con swift-boat idiot stooges to try to goad unthinking voters into voting for the Republican Police State "fascista" again to keep it going for yet another six years. Shrub should be proud.

As P.T. Barnum said, there's one born every minute. And the Republican are making good use of every one they can round up.

I responded to him thusly:
Oh ****, haven't you learned by now?

1. It's Clinton's fault.
2. The Dems, if they were in power, would have done worse.
3. Look over there, shiny objects!
4. It's the Mexicans' fault.
5. Liberalism is anti-American and morally bankrupt.
6. The Free Market will take care of itself.
7. If you don't support the war, you don't support the troops.
8. Only Repubs can protect us from terrorists.
8a. The Nanny State federal government is bad.
9. It's the Islamofascists' fault.
10. Unions are taking America down.

Get with the program, dude. Sheesh!

And one of the more vocal members of the community came back with this:

1. It's Clinton's fault.
It's not, but he's a turd anyway.

2. The Dems, if they were in power, would have done worse.
It's worse than that. They would have done about the same.

3. Look over there, shiny objects!

4. It's the Mexicans' fault.
I don't blame the Mexicans. I blame the people who won't enforce the law.

5. Liberalism is anti-American and morally bankrupt.
This much, is true. However, the modern version of consservatism is worse.

6. The Free Market will take care of itself.
Only for those who actually control it.

7. If you don't support the war, you don't support the troops.

8. Only Repubs can protect us from terrorists.
ROTFLMAO

8a. The Nanny State federal government is bad.
Yes, it is.
9. It's the Islamofascists' fault.
See #4.

10. Unions are taking America down.

That was years ago. They took themselves down with it.

Sadly lacking in irony, and missing several of my points. Like the Nanny State being exactly what the wingers want these days:

FISA is too restrictive:
  • Unlimited ability to tap phones and monitor emails.
  • No-knock warrants at any time
Civil liberties doesn't matter if you're dead

Freedom of the press is bad

The thing is, it's clear that some conservatarians really want Big Brother Bush to take manly charge of everything, just so they can keep wetting the bed.

And clearly I didn't respond to other things my colleague took issue with. I don't have the energy to debate a bouncing rubber ball.