Saints and sinners, something willing us, to be lord of the flies

Anyone who reads here regularly knows there's one Right-Wing Nut I often criticize. I've even left considerate comments at his place, attempting to start a dialog, as he seems to be well-thought out, if incorrect in his conclusions. But so far he refuses to engage.

But then the bastard posts a piece of manure like this:

But this is not news. It’s been going on for at least a year and nothing we have done or are doing currently is slowing down the momentum of this bloody country careening toward disaster. Yes, things are that bad in Iraq. Our own military says it. Maybe it’s time for the President of the United States to start saying it and at the same time, tell us what he intends to do to stave off disaster.

I would say to my one note lefty friends that removing the troops is not – repeat, is not – the complete answer to this problem. Of course, if your only goal is to see the United States humiliated in order to validate your worldview and make political hay out of the ensuing tragedy then I can see why you’d support such a position. (emphasis mine)

Dammit to Jeebus, this is the kind of dishonesty, and sophomoric logical fallacy that would have gotten an F in Mr. Wiley's English 101 class I took in '66 during my first year in Community College. Masking as high-minded logic, it's nothing more than "Have you stopped beating your wife yet?".

Let me explain this in simple words: We (on the left) oppose the war for the following reasons:

• American troops are dying and being injured for no benefit to us.
• Iraqi citizens are dying and being injured for no benefit to us, or them.
• Billions of $$ are being poured down the drain, for no benefit to us.
• Freedoms conservatives praise are being curtailed for no benefit to us.
• Executive power is being enhanced, with no benefit to us.
• Middle-Eastern security is in tatters, with no...
  

You idiot, the best way to avoid seeing the United States humiliated would have been to act grown-up before the war and resist it, not fall into the jingoistic rhetorical cesspool that GWBushCo dived into.

We've become "Lord of the Flies": schoolboys fighting, acting like grownups while becoming feral, as if it mattered to the world. The only difference is that in the book, there were grown-ups who could rescue the boys. And what happened on the island had no effect elsewhere.

In our world . . .?